Show Notes
In this episode of “Enthusiastic Encouragement and Dubious Advice,” Patricia and Nicole recount their recent trip to New York City, where they celebrated Patricia’s birthday by seeing a couple musicals and spending quality time with old friends. They also discuss the importance of embracing and understanding one’s own emotions, despite the discomfort or societal pressures to suppress them. The hosts wrap up by sharing personal reflections on what has been fulfilling for them lately and encourage listeners to support the podcast through ratings, reviews, sharing, and Patreon.
There is also a special announcement about the mysterious top tier of Patreon!
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Transcript
Music: [00:00:00] [Intro Music]
Patricia: Hey there, pop Rocks. Welcome to Enthusiastic Encouragement and Dubious Advice, the podcast for folks who would rather curl into the fetal position than Lean In. I’m your host, Patricia Elzie-Tuttle.
Nicole: And I have a whole lot of feelings about everything that is going on right now. I’m Nicole Elzie-Tuttle.
We’re recording the show on April 10th, 2025.
Patricia: So much has happened since we last chatted.
Nicole: Yeah, we took an episode off.
Patricia: We took an episode off because we, well, at least when we were supposed to be recording, we were in New York City.
Nicole: Yeah, we were celebrating Patricia-ween?
Patricia: A Patricia-ween. I actually, mmm…
Nicole: no?
Patricia: Maybe. Maybe. [00:01:00]
Nicole: Patricia-Mas?
Patricia: Patricia-Mas. Patriciakuh?
Anyway, we were celebrating my birthday in New York and we got to see some friends of mine. We got to see Audra McDonald in Gypsy. She was phenomenal.
Nicole: Yeah, you lost it in the first 10 seconds.
Patricia: Absolutely. Absolutely. I’m pretty sure I blacked out for about four bars during one of her big songs.
I just. I don’t know. Time traveled. I don’t know.
Nicole: Yeah.
Patricia: We saw Redwood with Idina Menzel.
Nicole: We did.
Patricia: We did. That was a show.
Nicole: Uh huh.
Patricia: Yep.
And we had some amazing bagel sandwiches.
Nicole: Oh yeah. Shout out to Murray’s Bagels.
Patricia: Oh yeah. My bagel sandwich had a latke in the bagel sandwich. Phenomenal.
Nicole: On top of like egg and
Patricia: sausage and bacon and cheese.
Nicole: Yeah.
Patricia: Like it was very
Nicole: not kosher.
Patricia: Not kosher. Uh, and it was very [00:02:00] delicious.
And we like took the subway around a bunch of places.
Nicole: Oh yeah. No, subway was pretty easy ’cause we stayed near Grand Central Station.
Patricia: We did. We stayed at the Library Hotel, which is a hotel where every room is a Dewey Decimal number.
Nicole: Yes. We stayed in the
Patricia: African Religions room.
Nicole: Yes.
Patricia: Yeah.
And so each room also had like a little bit of art in there, but it had about 40 to 50 curated books on that subject of that room. So we were also on the religions floor.
Nicole: Yes.
Now the Library Hotel is also about a block away from the New York Public Library’s Central Library branch.
Patricia: Yeah. From the uh, 5th Avenue, 42nd Street branch. The one with the two lions in front. So we went down there, we went to the library store. And we got to meet some celebrities.
Nicole: Oh, we did. [00:03:00] That’s right.
Patricia: Which were Winnie the Pooh and Friends, the original Plushies that A.A. Milne based his stories off of, uh, you know, they tour around to different museums and galleries and stuff, and they were on display at the library.
Nicole: Well, it was everybody except little Roo.
Patricia: Except Roo, yeah.
Nicole: Yeah. little Roo uh, got lost in apple orchard about a hundred years ago and never came back.
Patricia: That’s both horrifying and sounds kind of like a Roo thing to do.
Nicole: Yeah.
Patricia: Also Piglet, hecka small.
Nicole: Yeah. That’s why piglet’s so small.
Patricia: Oh my gosh.
Nicole: He’s just a lil guy.
Patricia: He’s just a little guy. Every time I think about him I get tears in my eyes. He’s so small.
Nicole: And also, yeah, Eeyore does look sad.
Patricia: Yeah.
Honestly, I got tears in my eyes just seeing them there, ’cause I didn’t expect to see them there.
Nicole: Yeah. We like, we’re looking at some other stuff.
Patricia: Yeah. Yeah. It was, you know, I’m getting all for verklempt now, but that was, you know, New York.
I’m posting [00:04:00] pictures on my Instagram, finally. I post the pictures after we already get home.
Nicole: Yeah.
Patricia: And also I recently went out of my comfort zone and I went to a women and femmes of color entrepreneurs and creatives networking event. And so like I’ve made some connections and I just wanna pat myself on my back for getting out of my comfort zone.
It is something like, I bought the ticket a few weeks ago and then when I woke up on Sunday, I was like, ugh, I don’t wanna do this thing. But you know what, past me did me a solid
Nicole: Yeah. And, uh, hey, to anyone who met Patricia at that event.
Patricia: And the other thing is I feel like I’ve been doing a lot of yapping already.
Nicole: Yes.
Patricia: I brought you to a Patti LuPone concert on Saturday.
Nicole: You did! It was a show.
Patricia: She had a [00:05:00] cold, but she was, I mean, it’s Patti LuPone. She’s so phenomenal that at one point she turned to below her nose and the audience started applauding. And she turned around and gave like everyone, like she laughed and she gave everyone a look like, what is wrong with you?
But I’m like, just imagine being so amazing that people applaud when you’re blowing your nose.
Nicole: Yeah, yeah. Also, this was in Berkeley and maybe the whole of the Castro district was
Patricia: Was there
Nicole: there.
Patricia: Yeah.
Nicole: That night.
Patricia: And the whole premise of the show was, she called it Songs from A Hat and she had 35 pieces of paper each with a song in a top hat.
And she would just pick out the songs. And whatever she would pick out, that’s what she would sing.
Nicole: She would also let some people in the audience pick a song.
Patricia: Yes.
Nicole: And one person
Patricia: Out of the hat.
Nicole: Out of the hat. Yes. [00:06:00] Not off a list, outta the hat. And one person picked one and handed it to her and said. I hope it’s a good one.
Patricia: And the whole theater, I don’t know how many people sit in this theater. It’s a massive theater. Three tiers, orchestra, mezzanine, balcony. You could hear a pin drop and Patty Lupone took the piece of paper and was like, what do you think would be a good one? And everyone just in our seats, absolute silence because we were all mortified on behalf of this person. And this person was not answering. And she’s like, oh look, he’s getting shy. No, really, everyone in this theater wants to know what you would think is a good one.
Nicole: Poor man.
Patricia: I almost died of secondhand embarrassment. I’m like, why would you say that to Patty Lupone? But of course, finally someone shouted out The Ladies Who Lunch and that’s what it was.
[00:07:00] And brilliant, wonderful. Ended with a bang. So.
Nicole: Yeah, I had a fun time, uh, trying to figure out if I had seen that song in a show before or not.
Patricia: Yeah. I knew most of the songs, but I was wondering like some of the songs you recognized and some you didn’t. So.
Nicole: And some took a few minutes because it was totally out of context.
Patricia: That too.
Nicole: Oh, hey, we have a Patreon.
Patricia: We do have a Patreon.
Nicole: I want you all to subscribe to our Patreon.
Patricia: That’d be so wonderful. We have a great little community over there with our weekly check-ins.
Nicole: With our Helpful Helpers.
Patricia: Our Helpful Helpers, and our Enthusiastic Encouragers.
Nicole: Oh, we can’t forget our enthusiastic encouragers, they encourage so enthusiastically.
Patricia: And we are going to announce the new tier during our next show. I finally, together, we finally figured out like kind [00:08:00] of what we wanna do. And so just saying it out loud right now is really gonna get a fire under us to get it together and we will announce it on our next show, which is in two weeks.
Nicole: This isn’t gonna be like a fire under us, like in Redwood is it?
Patricia: Redwood the musical?
Nicole: Yeah.
Patricia: Ah, no.
It better not be
Nicole: Like a sleeping in a tree.
Patricia: Nope. Stop. Nope.
Nicole: No.
Patricia: We’re gonna, we’re just gonna leave that musical as it’s.
Nicole: Okay.
You wanna tell us about the bookshop?
Patricia: I do wanna tell you about the bookshop.
As all of you I’m sure are doing your best to not buy books from places like Amazon or Target. May I suggest bookshop and may I suggest our affiliate shop on bookshop, which we have linked at eedapod.com, and we have linked in the show notes. Where we mention, or actually we link all the books that we have mentioned in the show as well as books I’ve mentioned in the Enthusiastic Encouragement and Dubious Advice [00:09:00] newsletter, and you can shop them in our affiliate bookshop and get the books and then support us, support independent bookstores.
And book shop now now also does eBooks, which is really cool.
Nicole: Oh, that’s so good.
Patricia: Yeah.
Music: [Transition Music]
Patricia: So today is one of those days when we’re going to talk about something that we are each working on in our own ways and we’ll probably always be working on. I don’t think these are things that can really like that perfection is attainable or even desirable. We’re going to talk about being scared of feelings. Mostly our own feelings, but sometimes other people’s too.
Nicole: Now we do not have it all figured out, but we’re gonna share with you what we’ve got figured out so far.
Patricia: In the Enthusiastic Encouragement and Dubious Advice newsletter, volume [00:10:00] six, resources eight, which I will link in the show notes, I shared a blog post written by Kamron (Taylor) Melton for Therapy for Black Girls. And the blog post is titled, Sitting With Your Emotions, What Your Therapist Means and How to Do It, and it’s very helpful.
Nicole: We understand how important this is academically. It builds resilience. Actually naming your emotions can reduce the intensity of them, and you can learn about your own triggers and patterns and needs.
Patricia: Also, if you continually keep your feelings all bottled up, they’re just going to show up in other ways.
Could be outbursts at loved ones or coworkers. Could be physical illness or chronic pain, or a myriad other really undesirable ways.
Nicole: Yeah, you don’t wanna end up like that one guy on inside out who just had like a head full of Anger.
Patricia: Too late. [00:11:00]
Nicole: Like I said, academically I get it, but I am not always the best at this practically speaking.
Patricia: Yeah, same.
In my many years, I have heard and even said myself that feelings are scary. Sometimes it’s literally just that phrase like, feelings are scary. Or I’ve had a friend say that they’re scared to write down their feelings, like in a journal or a letter, because if they write them down, then they’ll be real, and that’s scary.
Or maybe it’s avoiding having a conversation because they’re afraid they’ll cry, or they’re afraid the other person will cry, and every one of us is just a haunted house of emotions.
Nicole: Spooky emotions.
Patricia: No.
Nicole: Is is that a, is that a, a floating sheet or is it just old, uh
Patricia: old man [00:12:00] Withers.
Nicole: Old man Withers with Joy.
Patricia: Old, sad-man Withers.
Nicole: Old, sad-man Withers. Awe.
He would’ve gotten away with it too
Patricia: if it weren’t for that Lexapro.
Nicole: Aw.
I know a big part of this for me is that having big feelings can be uncomfortable, and frankly, I don’t always wanna deal with that.
I’ve got a lot of other things I wanna do, so I’m just gonna avoid those feelings.
Patricia: I will avoid feeling my feelings by intellectualizing them or by keeping busy. The feelings can’t catch me if I keep moving. Or I will just have a laugh. Why have feelings when I can have jokes.
Nicole: Yeah, I know for me, like intellectualizing my feelings really allows me to distance myself from them. In [00:13:00] some ways when I’m doing this, I feel kind of like some sort of feelings bird watcher like, ah yes, look, that appears to be some sort of red cheeked anger that I am experiencing. And like when I’m doing this, I’m not present with that feeling. And like, yes, I’m feeling it, but I’m not like feeling it, feeling it, if that makes sense.
It’s just like. Yep. That’s, Hmm. Look at that anger. Anyways, I’ve got a work email to respond to.
Patricia: Yeah.
As with many things, I am trying to approach this idea of scary feelings with curiosity. We use the word scary and we often associate that word with danger or something being harmful or being unsafe.
Nicole: Or a Spice Girl.
Patricia: You know, I am not going to go on my rant about the Black one being called Scary, but just know I can. [00:14:00]
Nicole: Oh, yeah, no, it’s good too. Maybe that’ll be in one of our like,
Patricia: paid,
Nicole: paid episodes.
Patricia: Paid episodes on Patreon.
Nicole: That’ll go on EEDAPod Nights.
Patricia: EEDAPod Rants.
Nicole: Oh no, EEDAPod Rants.
There are definitely people who are in situations where it would be unsafe for them to show their feelings, good or bad.
In our household, we do talk a lot about how toxic masculinity limits the range of feelings that are acceptable for men, and this is both good and bad.
Patricia: Hey fellas, is it gay to be excited?
Nicole: Uh, according to some, yes.
Patricia: Oh.
As a Black person, especially a Black femme, I am used to having my emotions policed in the workplace and also having to be very mindful, even if I say disagree with something, with a smile on my face, some people will still read it as [00:15:00] anger or aggressiveness or whatever.
Nicole: I’m just, sorry, I’m just like, your joy is so good and, like, I, I have this picture of you being like, at Disneyland with like a corn dog and like a coke and like in line for, I don’t know, Space Mountain or something, and just like having the best, and someone’s like, ugh, why she so angry?
Patricia: Yeah. It’s, it’s wild. Racism is wild.
Nicole: All this to say, we recognize that there are situations as well as social expectations that keep people from expressing their feelings, but also like really having them.
Patricia: Yeah, even acknowledging them.
What we really wanna get at is when we are avoiding feelings in a space that is relatively safe with a loved one you trust, or writing in a journal or notebook, or even [00:16:00] in therapy.
My previous therapist would give me A Look, because she could physically see me intellectualizing my feelings in real time right there in our session. And it wasn’t necessarily a negative look. I absolutely adored her. It was just kind of like a, huh? Like she could physically see
Nicole: yeah
Patricia: me up in my head.
Nicole: Yeah.
And this is where like again, we want you to get curious.
When you say your feelings are scary, what do you mean? What are you scared of? What are you afraid is going to happen?
Patricia: Yeah, that last one’s a good one because often what you’re say you are afraid is going to happen is something that’s unrealistic or even irrational.
Like saying, if I start crying, I’m afraid I won’t stop. Realistically, at some point you’re going to get dehydrated or tire yourself out and go to sleep. I think a [00:17:00] lot about all my grief and sure, I feel like crying more than I do, and grief doesn’t end, but the actual crying, the crying does not last. 24/7.
Nicole: Yeah. I mean, unless you’re, that one girl that Nine Days was singing about, like back in 2000.
Patricia: You had to look up that that band was called Nine Days.
Nicole: Yeah.
Patricia: I, I had never heard that in my life.
Nicole: I know.
Patricia: I know the song.
Nicole: I know the song. Yeah. Y’all go look it up. It’s really catchy, it’s stuck in your head.
You mentioned earlier also being scared of other people’s feelings, for example, like avoiding conversations because the other person might cry or be upset.
Patricia: Yeah, that’s a tough one. People can be bringing a lot of their own baggage to the table when they say that one, especially if they grew up in a home where they constantly had to navigate and tiptoe around the feelings of emotionally immature adults. For me, like if I share something difficult with [00:18:00] you, I really have to ground myself in my trust for you.
Trust that while you may have negative feelings, those won’t turn into negative behavior.
Nicole: And this, I just wanna acknowledge, can be a lot harder in professional settings.
Patricia: Absolutely.
Nicole: Yeah.
There’s also a lot around feeling feelings that is passed down through culture. A really obvious place to see this is evident in the discomfort that white people experience both, like, trying to hide their own emotions or, or trying to not show emotions. But also when they encounter other people being less restrained with their feelings in public. And this is likely partly or less, more than partly due to the export of British stoicism, which [00:19:00] you may have also heard of as the stiff upper lip, through colonization.
And while we don’t revere that stoicism as much today or, or we really should not be revering that kind of stoicism, many white people still have a preference for restraint in public and they can get real uncomfortable or funny enough, have a lot of feelings about it when others, especially non-white people, do not abide by such cultural norms of restraint.
Patricia: Ugh. I have so much to say about this.
First of all, something that we don’t have in the script, but I’m reminded of listening to this, is about white women weaponizing tears.
Nicole: Oh, yeah.
Patricia: Especially in public or in the workplace.
Nicole: Yeah. Well, you have to be as a white person, so restrained all the time. So if you’re having tears like
Patricia: Someone’s gonna pay.
Nicole: That’s, that’s a major thing. [00:20:00]
Patricia: Yeah.
And then the other thing is you mentioned not revering stoicism. Uh, so in my gig where I recommend books, I see the thousands of books that are coming out all the time. And I am sorry to burst your bubble, but there’s a whole entire reverence around stoicism. There are so many books and videos and exalting of stoicism right now. I’m aware of it because of the books, but it’s really attached to alpha male culture. Which is something that we don’t have in our bubbles. And so stoicism is a whole thing and it’s a little bit scary.
Nicole: It makes me incredibly sad.
Patricia: Yeah. And then the other thing I’m reminded of, [00:21:00] finally, is thinking about people being uncomfortable with big feelings. I think about the group of Black women who were on the wine train tour in Napa, and people complained and got them kicked off the train because they were laughing too loud. And having fun.
Nicole: They’re having too much fun.
Patricia: Yeah, I’ve definitely, I laugh loudly, I laugh loudly, and I’ve definitely gotten scare, stares, scares, stares in public because I’m laughing loudly.
Nicole: Yeah, you are not being restrained enough in your emotions. You’re, you feelings are too big sometimes. Your joy.
Patricia: I am sorry. I am just too funny and I crack myself up.
Nicole: Gonna connect these dots to one more thing as we kind of are connecting the dots a little bit away from our central, or I guess maybe around our, our central idea here. This [00:22:00] particular area really has like a direct connection to tone policing. Which is criticizing or devaluing the way someone is speaking, the way someone is speaking or saying something instead of actually addressing what they are saying.
Patricia: Absolutely.
You know, women are too emotional to lead or be president.
Nicole: Were you all able to, uh, hear how loud my eyes just rolled right now, thinking about all these men out here having mantrums?
Patricia: Mantrums,
Nicole: You about fell off the couch when I said that the first time.
Patricia: It’s a good word.
Nicole: It is,
Patricia: it’s a good word.
Nicole: And like.
Patricia: Well, and, and all this conversation is also like, in, in a weird way, is, is having feelings, is feeling your feelings, anti-white supremacy,
Nicole: whoa.
Patricia: Is feeling your feelings [00:23:00] anti-patriarchy, right? Like,
Nicole: and just, like, experiencing them, sharing them, and having big feelings
Patricia: yeah
Nicole: publicly.
Patricia: Yeah, well, like we have in our home, like joy is an act of resistance. And we’re not necessarily talking about like cisgender straight people here. Like trans joy is resistance, Black joy is resistance because there’s so many people out there that don’t want these circles and communities of people to not have that.
Nicole: Yeah, yeah.
I’m gonna bring it back around to feelings being scary, and note that it’s worth examining each situation and realizing that sometimes when we’re saying we’re like scared of these feelings or we’re feeling scared, we are actually safe and it’s going to be okay. And I’m gonna ask here, instead of feeling afraid, are we just feeling [00:24:00] uncomfortable instead.
Patricia: Or afraid of discomfort.
Nicole: Or, well, yeah.
Patricia: Yeah.
Nicole: Like are we edging being near discomfort And that’s what like is pushing us away from that.
Patricia: Yeah.
And then, I’m gonna say it, and then you can do it scared. You can be scared of your feelings and still have them.
And do the scary thing. And you can have that scary conversation where you cry or the other person cries ’cause you’re, you’re not gonna die from crying. Like,
Nicole: Maybe you both cry together.
Patricia: Maybe you cry. Maybe it’s a team.
Nicole: Yeah.
Patricia: Team challenge.
Nicole: It’s a, it’s a team effort. It’s a, it’s a group.
Patricia: It’s a group project.
Nicole: It’s a group project.
Yeah.
Patricia: If I’m crying, everyone else around me is crying.
Nicole: Yeah, it happens like that sometimes.
Patricia: It does happen like that sometimes. It be like that, sometimes.
Nicole: It do be like that, sometimes. And I’m gonna say this, the more time you spend with your feelings, the less scary they will be. [00:25:00] I’m gonna, I’m gonna take another step here.
Maybe, maybe you can eventually be friends with your feelings.
Patricia: Nope fake news.
Maybe you can be,
maybe, maybe I at least won’t be so terrified of feeling them sometimes. Maybe.
Nicole: And what we’re, we’re not talking about like the laughter and stuff here.
Patricia: Absolutely.
One more thing. As we mentioned earlier, naming the feelings like actually naming the thing can help alleviate some of the intensity and therefore, some of the scariness.
Over the many years of the Enthusiastic Encouragement and Dubious Advice newsletter, I’ve shared different tools to help you name your feelings. I’m actually going to link each of those issues in the show notes so you have easy access to those resources.
Nicole: I might just start naming my feelings after Weird Birds.
[00:26:00] That’s a Blue Wing Song Sobber.
Patricia: No, I’m just going to name my feelings like people names.
Nicole: Oh, I got a, I got a case of the Billys today.
Patricia: What’s wrong? Uh, Bruce.
Nicole: Oh No, Bruce..
I don’t know, feeling a bit of Janet today. Janice.
Patricia: Ms. Jackson, if you’re nasty.
Whoa.
Music: [Transition Music]
Nicole: Okay, so we’ve carried on a bit. Patricia, what do you wanna make sure people kind of take away from this?
Patricia: I think, and this is maybe just my rules for living, uh, and your mileage may vary, but ask why. Why am I scared to feel X, Y, Z? Like, don’t maybe question that you are or you are [00:27:00] not, but like, why am I scared?
What am I afraid will happen?
And Nicole, what’s your takeaway?
Nicole: My takeaway here is that you need to get outta your comfort zone with what feelings you allow yourself to experience, if you have a habit of saying that you’re scared of your feelings. The more time you spend with them, the more comfortable you are going to be feeling them.
All right. Well,
Yeah, just kind of sit with those for a minute.
Patricia: Yeah.
Nicole: Patricia?
Patricia: Yes, Nicole.
Nicole: What’s been filling your cup lately?
Patricia: You know, our trip to New York was perfect. Dare I say perfect? You know, it went off without a hitch. Everything was on time. We got to do what we wanted to do. See what we wanted to see. There’s plenty on our map for us to see next [00:28:00] time we go.
But I think what’s filling me most is that there were a couple friends that maybe I had lost contact with or just hadn’t seen in like 20 years, one of them 25 years, and I reached out and I was like, hey, my wife and I are gonna be in New York. Are you up to like hang out and see us and meet my wife?
And both of them were like, immediately, yes. You tell me when and where and I will be there. And, I don’t know. That’s just really filling my cup right now that I, I mean, I also just know some really great people and I know I would do that for them too, right. But just that, you know, decades could pass and they’re still like, yeah. Where am I meeting you? What are we doing?
Nicole: Yeah.
Patricia: Nicole, what’s filling your cup?
Nicole: This trip really did a lot for me as well. A big part of it was just spending all the time with you. I know for the listeners we’re weird and gross to a [00:29:00] lot of people, but we legitimately can spend 24 hours a day with each other for weeks on end and just have pure joy in it.
But also, this trip was one that we kind of made the decision to do on a whim like a couple months ago, and you were like, I really wanna do this thing, and I was like, okay, let’s do it. So it really was like, for you and your birthday and, and all those things. And just getting to spend that time with you and, and see you and your joy in this trip and, and making it be a reality like that was really, that was really fulfilling for me.
Patricia: Oh, thank you.
Well, that’s our show for today. We’d like to thank the awesome audio editor, Jen Zinc, and you can find her at loopdilou.com, we’ll leave a link to that in our show notes.
Nicole: You can find the full show notes and transcript at eedapod.com. That’s E-E-D-A-P-O-D dot com. There you can also find [00:30:00] a link to our Patreon, our bookshop link, and a link to the ongoing, enthusiastic encouragement and dubious advice newsletter.
You can also find us on Instagram and Blue Sky at eedapod and email us at eedapod@gmail.com.
Patricia: We hear nothing if not consistent.
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Patricia: Please let us know how we’re doing.
Nicole: Yeah
Patricia: Unless we’re doing terribly, like, you could keep that to yourself.
Nicole: I mean, I don’t think we’re doing that.
Patricia: That’s fair.
Nicole: All this to say that anything you can do with giving us ratings or reviews
Patricia: or sharing the show
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In the meantime, we hope you find ways to be kind to yourself, drink some water and read a book. We’ll be talking to you soon.
Nicole: Gonna miss our friend in New York. Joey Bats.
Patricia: Joey Bats.
Nicole: Ah, that guy Joey Bats. He makes some good, uh, some good pastry.
Patricia: Oh, I also had that hot dog. That Snap-O-Razzo.
Nicole: Ah, snapo…
Joey Bats and the Snap-O-Razzos.
Patricia: Oh my God.