Show Notes
Patricia and Nicole celebrate the two-year anniversary of the Enthusiastic Encouragement & Dubious Advice podcast and close out the last full episode of the year by reflecting on 2025 and sharing personal growth and lessons learned. They discuss the importance of routines, delegating tasks, and finding joy in simple, screen-free activities with each other and friends.
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Transcript
Music: [Intro Music]
Patricia: Hey there, stocking stuffers! Welcome to Enthusiastic Encouragement and Dubious advice, the podcast for folks who would rather curl into the fetal position than lean in. I’m your host, Patricia Elzie-Tuttle.
Nicole: And I can’t wait for you to stuff my stocking. I’m Nicole Elzie-Tuttle. We’re recording the show on December 5th, 2025.
Patricia: [Laughing]
Nicole: I don’t know.
Patricia: [Laughing]
Nicole: Sounds way worse when I think about saying that to everybody out there who’s listening.
Patricia: I think it was your inflection that time. You said it much better earlier,
Nicole: [Laughing]
Patricia: but you know what?
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Nicole: And if you want something to round out the gifts that Santa filled someone’s stocking with, because I don’t think he shops at our merch shop. We have a merch shop! And you can get little stickers and stuff there. You can find a link to that on our webpage eedapod.com.
Patricia: This is EEDAPod’s two year anniversary.
Nicole: It’s our cotton anniversary.
Patricia: I am not getting you cotton.
Nicole: I don’t know if I’d feel okay if you gifted me cotton.
Patricia: I don’t think so.
Nicole: So maybe we, we need to go with the more modern anniversary gift for two years, which would be china.
This would be our china anniversary. I’m a little confused though. Do we have to get the show a set of china? Do we need to get like commemorative china?
Patricia: Oh, oh. Like Royal Wedding china, but it’s us.
Nicole: Yeah.
A EEDAPod commemorative plate.
Patricia: That sounds amazing.
Nicole: Or if we wanted to commemorate this with some sort of jewelry, the two year anniversary gemstone is garnet.
Patricia: I like a garnet.
Nicole: It’s our Garnet anniversary.
Patricia: Yeah. Okay.
Nicole: Commemorative anniversary necklaces?
Patricia: I don’t know.
Recently we went to a Friendsgiving, and I wanna share that we made an autumn squash lasagna. Which I made the pasta by hand, so like we did everything from scratch.
Nicole: This lasagna had a butternut squash and ricotta filling.
It was also layered in with a bechamel sauce.
Patricia: And caramelized onions.
Nicole: And caramelized onions. And topped with Parmesan and Gruyère.
Patricia: And we made it over the course of two days.
Nicole: Yeah, on the first day was the butternut squash and ricotta, well, the butternut squash part, we mixed it with the ricotta the next day, but also caramelizing the onions in the oven, which took like,
Patricia: that was like 90 minutes.
Nicole: Uh, it was a little more than 90, I think it was probably close to like an hour 45.
Patricia: Mmm, mm-hmm.
Nicole: All that said, yeah, we did all that. And, uh, you know what? It was delicious.
Patricia: It was delicious. And I was really proud of us too because it was a lot of us both being in the kitchen, and I think we cook really well together when we are working on the same thing.
Nicole: Yeah. Uh, it’s, it’s like we, we get in kind of a really good rhythm together. Is that gonna be one of our future things? Cooking with the Elzies?
Patricia: I don’t know. It’s kind of chaotic, but it’s our own brand of chaos.
Nicole: It’s fun. I like it.
Patricia: I don’t know if people would like watching that, but, uh…
Nicole: Oh yeah, ’cause we’d have to like entertain them too, while we’re just like, no, you hold the pasta.
Patricia: Yeah. We just can’t be like stimming while we’re, while I’m kneading pasta. So.
Nicole: Yeah, that’s fair.
Patricia: I mean, we could. Hey, you know what? There’s an audience for everything.
Nicole: There is, including an audience for us that we are well aware of. Thanks everybody. We love our audience.
Patricia: We absolutely do.
Nicole: From our Enthusiastic Encouragers all the way over to our Dubious Advisors.
Patricia: Yep, and those Helpful Helpers.
Nicole: Oh, can’t forget about our Helpful Helpers. They’re so helpful.
Music: [Transition Music]
Patricia: So this is our last full episode of the year. Our next usual publishing day is December 24th, and we’ll probably put together something short and silly. Our first episode in January will be our 2026 goals, intentions, et cetera, episode. I don’t like talking about goals and doing that before the previous year is over. It feels like bad luck to me.
Nicole: I mean like we still have a month to go. It’s only December 5th. That’s a whole month where I could still like wrap up some goals or something. Who knows? Maybe I’ll finally get those pictures hung up.
Patricia: Maybe. I have some books to read for sure. To hit my reading goal.
Nicole: You? Books to read?
Patricia: Just kidding. I can’t read. No, I’m kidding.
Nicole: Oh my.
Patricia: I’m just winging it. I’ve just been winging it
Nicole: oh my gosh.
Patricia: all these years. Context clues for everything.
Nicole: Everything’s based off the cover.
Patricia: Everything. Yikes!
Today I want us to talk about some of the things we’ve learned this year and maybe some non-goal specific reflections.
Nicole: I really love that you ask me to do things like this with you because otherwise I, I don’t know if I would do it at all. It’s just not how I approach the end of the year and stuff, or even have like milestones in my life like that where I’m like, hmm, let me think about my last year. But I think it’s really good for me.
So thank you.
Patricia: You’re welcome. Thanks for doing this with me.
One of the things that was really confirmed, or rather a few of the things that were really confirmed for me multiple times is that I do much better when I have a routine or schedule or outside accountability, like our weekly workout class and posting the weekly accountability thread to Patreon.
That has been helpful for me in checking off those things that maybe I’ve been dragging my feet on, and also helps me maintain focus. It feels great when it comes around to the following week and I can say, yeah, I did that. And everyone is incredibly gracious when sometimes I say, hey, it didn’t get done, but it gets pushed to the following week or maybe it’s just not that important.
Nicole: I both love and hate a schedule. I want to be chaotic and live my life as I want, but I will not get anything done without some kind of schedule. This isn’t like new news. This isn’t something I exactly learned this year, but it’s definitely something that has been even more reinforced.
Patricia: Yeah, and I think, you know, one of the things with that is we’ll have our weekend to-do list and you will actually ask me to sit down and we’ll plan out like what we are doing and kind of in a general order or time. I think we can be better at also scheduling in rest, scheduling in time for downtime in that schedule.
You’re looking at me like a deer caught in the headlights,
Nicole: I don’t know her.
Patricia: You don’t know rest?
Nicole: Uh, someone I meet in the, the very dark of midnight.
Patricia: But yeah, it helps actually looking at our to-do list and then putting it in our planner of like, we’re doing this, this, this, and then this. And we aim to be doing this by this time.
Nicole: Yeah. It’s usually like out of the house, chore things.
Patricia: Yeah.
Nicole: A lot of times like, oh, we need to go to these places and do these things. But having like a planned leave time and the series of places we wanna go to really helps me from getting stuck in like waiting mode. ‘Cause I don’t know what’s gonna happen, so I’m just, I end up just like sitting there and waiting for you to tell me what’s gonna happen next. And that’s not helpful.
Patricia: No, it, yeah, you’re time blindness hits you real hard sometimes.
Nicole: Yeah. It’s just, um, I don’t know what we’re doing, so I get stuck.
Patricia: Related, having a friend visiting from out of town on a specific day this autumn, really helped us get through my mom’s boxes in the back room. Like, that was a clear day that she was arriving, and I was like, okay, we need to get this done by the time Mary gets here on this day.
Nicole: Also, Hey Mary. Hi. Thanks for visiting. We miss you.
But it wasn’t just the boxes. And I think that’s a really important thing. We, with that deadline, we’re able to get that room into a kind of space that if we needed to host someone overnight, we could do it.
Patricia: Yeah. We made the back room guestable.
Nicole: Yeah.
Patricia: Mm-hmm.
Nicole: And that to me is like a bigger achievement than just getting the boxes done.
Patricia: Yeah. The boxes were part of that.
Nicole: They were part of it,
Patricia: but they weren’t the whole thing. You’re right.
Nicole: They weren’t, yeah.
Patricia: I also, a couple of times had a friend come over to help do some tedious tasks.
Like I love stationery. I come from a long line of people that love stationery. And in my mom’s boxes and stuff, we found so many writing instruments. Pens, highlighters, markers, sharpies, pens, mechanical pencils, color pens, just all kinds of writing instruments. And I also had my own kind of doom zip block of writing instruments in a box.
And one of my friends came over and I gave her a pad of paper and she tested each one of those instruments to see if they worked or not. And if they didn’t, could they be refilled? And being realistic, would I actually refill it? And so if it didn’t work, garbage. But if it did work, then she separated them out into what I might wanna keep and then what I can give to one of my friends who is a principal at like a K through 12.
It was a tedious task. It took a couple hours, at least. I made us food or we ordered food, and she did that while I did something else. And that was incredibly helpful. It wasn’t necessarily body doubling because we weren’t working on our own things, but just someone who was willing to help lighten the load, and also, as we’ve talked about in previous episodes, the right person to do it.
Nicole: Something that I think has been an ongoing lesson that I’ve been learning the last few years and has just become more and more apparent to me in particular, is learning to delegate some things out and also being okay with that. Letting someone else do a thing and being okay with it not being done exactly the way I would do it.
Patricia: Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that’s a constant struggle for me.
Nicole: Yeah.
Patricia: Um, and one, and one, I’m definitely having to learn and, and like, hey, I don’t have to be the planner. I could just show up to things. So been working on that this year.
Nicole: Just don’t ever delegate, like making cookies out to someone else.
Patricia: That’s fair.
Every time I have a cookie that’s not mine. I’m just sad.
One of the other things reflecting this year, if you have been listening you’ll remember we went to New York for my birthday and that allowed me to rediscover a part of myself that honestly, I thought had flatlined right? That I thought had died and I really felt like that scene in the movie Hook where Robin Williams is like, he doesn’t know what he is doing. He doesn’t know why he’s there, who he is, who these kids think he is.
Nicole: He’s just a lawyer.
Patricia: He’s just a lawyer. And then they have the food fight and it clicks. And that one kid goes up to his face and he’s like, there you are, Peter.
And like that’s how I felt after New York. I was like, ah, there I am. There she is.
Nicole: There you are, Patricia.
Patricia: Yeah.
Nicole: You need me to come like squish your cheeks around?
Patricia: No, thank you.
Nicole: Okay.
Patricia: I think also though, with that New York trip, there were a couple other things too. Like there were friends. I was able to reconnect with. Friends you still hadn’t met yet?
Nicole: No. And like we’ve been together for like over a decade now.
Patricia: Yeah. But also just being able to reconnect with them and being able to just pick up and still love each other intensely. And like I know some really solid people and that’s wonderful.
And it was also our first time on a plane since the start of the pandemic.
Nicole: Yeah. Yeah.
Seeing you with the friends was really great. Just picking up like that was really, really great.
Yeah, that trip really more than anything reminded me just how much I love and miss traveling and just getting out and exploring different places and everything. And also, of course, doing all that with you, like you’re my best travel buddy.
Patricia: Yeah. We travel pretty well together.
Nicole: Yeah.
Patricia: In practical things, I feel pretty solid in the jam making department. Like we made jam this year with, uh, strawberries and we also made cherry preserves and we canned it like with a water bath and they are shelf stable. And we tried making strawberry jam like a couple years ago. It came out too thin, but this year it really clicked.
Nicole: Yeah. This year, you know, we’ve grown herbs and we have like a lemon tree and stuff, but this year I learned about like growing tomatoes.
Patricia: And garlic.
Nicole: And garlic. We did do garlic, and some peppers that we weren’t really fond of. And I, I discovered that, but also I learned about the joy of like just giving away produce
Patricia: Yeah.
Nicole: to people and friends and them Absolutely loving it.
Patricia: Yeah. And sharing with our neighbors.
Nicole: Sharing with our neighbors, and just having something to kind of like give and share and just like completely unselfishly.
Patricia: Yeah. Just like, we made this thing, or you grew this thing. But I also think with the tomatoes, this was your first time and some of them you started from seed and we didn’t know if they were going to take, so you had like three of them. And then there was another one that I just like bought when we were at the nursery that was a seedling. So you had four tomato plants. We didn’t know if they were going to take, but the thing is they all took and we went from zero tomatoes to like, oh no, too many tomatoes.
Nicole: Yeah, it was great.
Patricia: Yeah.
Nicole: Yeah, it was, it was great.
Patricia: One of the hard things I did this year that was not necessarily on my agenda, that I learned I could do. Was that I switched therapists.
My previous therapist I had for about four years. We had a really great relationship, but she was going to take a break and she was also changing the way that she did her practice. And so she gave me a list of other therapists that she thought would be good for me. You know, my last session, we both cried. We had built such a close relationship and maybe that was also a sign like, hey, I need to maybe change things up.
And I tried one person on her list and this person wasn’t a good fit. And after maybe. Two or three sessions, I told that person like, hey, this isn’t working for me. Which my inclination is always like, make it work. Be grateful. And so it was really big for me to be like, hey, this isn’t working. But then I tried someone else on the list and she’s amazing.
It’s like fitting a key into a lock. Like, my current therapist is so good.
Nicole: You always have good stories coming out of there.
Patricia: And she has amazing, amazing insight. But I also think I was very much in that scarcity mindset of like, like my, my previous therapist was a black queer woman. I, I’m not possibly going to find another black queer woman that is also accepting patients and can also talk about these things and, and yet, here I am.
Nicole: Here you are.
Patricia: It’s amazing.
Nicole: I similarly did something a little scary this year. I started going to some meetups with the express intention of kind of getting in with some community and hoping to make new friends, and it turns out like it wasn’t weird. It was really easy to just like go and hang out and fit in.
And in that process, like I’ve started making friends as well. You mentioned as we were talking about this, like when we went to Pride this year, we were walking around and there were all kinds of people I was saying hi to and like checking in with and just like, hey, how’s it going? Good to see. And you didn’t know who any of these people were and that never happens with us.
Patricia: Yeah. You know, this is something you’re doing by yourself and we do so much together because we love doing so much together.
Nicole: Yeah.
Patricia: But also like so many of our friends are people that I knew first, at least the local ones.
Nicole: Yes.
Patricia: So I love that you were finally like, I’m gonna go start going to this meetup and meeting people.
I love that you know people I don’t know, like,
Nicole: yeah
Patricia: that was great.
Nicole: Yeah.
Patricia: I did learn that I can post videos on the internet even of me singing and it’s fine. I don’t know. I’m an overthinker. If you’re listening to this show, you’re probably also an overthinker, like let’s be honest. And the videos I post are not edited pretty much at all or anything like that. And I’m not getting booed off the internet. I’m not getting canceled, yet anyway. And it’s fine. I could do that and it’s fine and I don’t know why it was being built up in my head so much.
Nicole: I’m gonna go out a little bit and say it’s more than fine. People actually like you and enjoy your content.
Patricia: I mean, hey, if you like books. It’s mostly books.
Nicole: It’s mostly books.
Patricia: It’s some musicals.
Nicole: This one’s a little silly, but like I learned how to use a typewriter and I kind of like it. It’s, I don’t know, there’s something fun about it. Oh, little click clack. Snap. Snap.
Patricia: It’s satisfying.
Nicole: It is very satisfying.
Patricia: Yeah.
I think it’s one of the reasons. I like to write things longhand. You get feedback.
Nicole: Yeah. It’s very, it’s very feedbacky.
Patricia: Yeah.
I learned that I am not yet tired of podcasting. Every time I think I have said everything, I continue to yap. I’ve been podcasting with Book Riot for All The Books. I hit six years this year.
Nicole: Wow.
Patricia: Which is bananas. And like I said, we just hit our two year.
Nicole: Yeah.
I learned that I still love doing all almost anything with you or almost anything as long as I’m doing it with you, including this. I was skeptical at first, but like I’m doing it with you, so it’s, it can’t be bad.
Patricia: I think one of the biggest things, and we’ve mentioned this in past shows, but I really wanna mention it here too, is that going through my mom’s things that we had here at the house, was so hard that it made the idea of going through our own things much lighter.
You know, I know there’s something to giving yourself some easy wins up front and doing some easy things up front. And at the same time for us, like actually doing the hard thing upfront has made everything else much easier. I’m so much less precious about things. After we went through all my mom’s stuff I was able to go through books. I was able to go through like a bunch of things.
Nicole: Yeah. I’m with you on this. Was it like last weekend or or something?
Patricia: Yeah.
Nicole: I went looking into our room of boxes for something.
Patricia: The Doom Room.
Nicole: The Doom Room. I was like, oh, I know we have a thing and I think I know where it is.
And I opened a box, and not only did I find the thing it was, it was like treasure hunting. Like unearthing, excavating treasure. It’s like, oh my gosh, look at all these things. Oh hey, remember that thing you thought we had and we haven’t been able to find? I found it. It’s right here in this box that’s been like right in front of us for the last three years. And like this has totally shifted my mindset on going through these things because I’ve, I’ve been a little anxious about it too. Like it just seems like overwhelming in work. But after going through your mom’s boxes, which had a lot more emotional gravity to it, and then taking a peek in some of ours and it was like exciting.
Patricia: It was like, wait, we already have a salad spinner?
Nicole: Oh no.
But like, it was kind of exciting and that’s shifted my perspective on it completely. Like, oh, this could kind of be fun.
Patricia: Yeah, agreed.
Nicole: And that, you know, what should have thought of it sooner, ’cause that’s all stuff we got for ourselves. Obviously we liked it at some point.
Patricia: That’s the thing too. Obviously we liked it and wanted it at some point.
Nicole: So we’re just gonna go rediscover all that stuff.
Patricia: Sure.
I also learned, and this is something maybe not more recently, but that friend hangouts don’t have to be a whole thing. The theater kid in me wants to make everything a production, and it doesn’t have to be.
My friends can just come over and sit on the couch and we can visit. I actually have a friend who is waiting for some paperwork and certification to go through. Well, uh, before she starts her next job. And so there has been one early morning last week and this week and probably next week, where she will come over and I will make us both coffee and we will sit and hang out and chat.
Nicole: You mean you’re not like every time a friend comes the door, you’re not like willkommen, bienvenue. Can I get you coffee?
Patricia: I mean, maybe I’m doing that. I, I did make her biscuits last week. But that is also because I wanted biscuits. And I can throw biscuits together in like half an hour. So we had coffee and biscuits and it was great.
Nicole: And I was at work. I wasn’t here. I missed coffee and biscuits. Not that you’ll let me have coffee anyway.
Patricia: No, you’re not allowed to have coffee, but…
Nicole: It’s not that she doesn’t let me have coffee, it’s my doctor that doesn’t let me have coffee.
Patricia: But yeah, I think I’m really trying to get better at embracing, like not everything needs to be a production, whether that’s videos on the internet, whether that’s friends coming over, like not everything has to have the ol’ razzle dazzle.
Nicole: I’m on board with this and my hope is that like, the more that you and I understand this, like we will have more people over.
Patricia: Yeah.
Nicole: And just like spend time with more friends.
Patricia: Yeah. And I’m, I’m also wanna make it very clear, our friends are also very much on board with COVID testing before they come over.
Nicole: Yeah.
Patricia: And you know, we have a bunch of filters and we make this as accessible as we can, too.
Nicole: Yeah, if we can crack windows, we’ll crack windows, but we do have a lot of air filters in the house.
Patricia: Yeah, and I think one of the last things I wanna talk about that really within maybe the past two to three months, I think actually as like Autumn started, one of the things I’m really learning is that we are craving things to do that don’t involve screens that we can also do together. Like, I could do plenty of things without screens. I could read, I could crochet, I could do whatever. I could write snail mail, but specifically looking for things to do together.
So we have gotten a couple of little two person games that we can play together or solo and that’s something that we’ve really been enjoying lately.
Nicole: Yeah, I second this. Things that we can do together that aren’t screens, I’m so on board for. We now have a couple different games and I’m really excited to play them with you. I just, like I said, things we can do together and spend time with you.
Patricia: Yeah. And not, like watching a show together isn’t really our thing.
Nicole: No, it’s, it’s really not. Like, I wanna be interacting with you, not just sitting with you and looking at another thing.
Music: [Transition Music]
Nicole: Well, kind of a, a hodgepodge of things tonight. Patricia, what do you want people to take away from this show?
Patricia: I didn’t say this earlier, but I’m saying it now that reflecting on the previous year or the current year, ’cause we’re still in it, in the framework of what have I learned can be much gentler than thinking, what have I achieved?
Which, yeah, we’ll talk about that during our goals episode, but I really like to think about like, what have I learned this year?
Nicole: I like that also because it’s like learning and growth don’t have to come with achievement. Like you can just learn things and that’s okay. I’m sure we could look at all the books we read and we can also talk about a lot of things we learned just in terms of like knowledge.
Patricia: Oh, totally. Yeah.
Nicole: I also feel like this is a good way to like also start reflecting on your goals or start reflecting on your year to help prepare for the coming year. You can think about it in terms of goals, but also just thinking about like, where do you wanna go from here? Like, it doesn’t have to be a, a, a straightforward achievement goal.
Like, is there something else you wanna learn, something you want to do? This kind of thought process of just what have I learned can help set you up. And so it’s a good time to start thinking about that if you’re the kind of person that that does new things in January.
Patricia: Yeah, I think, you know, I like, for instance, I have learned that not every friend hangout needs to be a production.
So maybe next year I look for more friend hangouts that aren’t productions. Maybe we all go to Ulta together or whatever.
Nicole: All right, Patricia, what has been filling your cup lately?
Patricia: So, I don’t know the, the high from this one is going to last me the rest of this year. The other night we were at Marcus Books and Blanche was working there. Blanche is the owner, she’s often working there, and I had purchased a stack of books. And she was like, oh, are you buying gifts? And I was like, well, some of these are gifts, but this one and this one are actually for me. And she said, ah, you got the good stuff for yourself. And all I heard was that Blanche at Marcus Books thinks that the books I pick out are good.
And now no one can tell me nothing the rest of the year. And I’m just gonna ride the high from that like the rest of the year.
Nicole: I will also say you had her laughing real good. I don’t know if I’ve seen her laugh and smile like that in a lot of the times we’ve been there.
Patricia: Well, yeah, I, and I think it also depends on the times we’ve been there. ‘Cause often we’ve been there when there’s been like a lot of, lot more people. And also on the weekend, like it was a weeknight.
Nicole: Yeah.
Patricia: I don’t know, the vibe was different on a weeknight.
Nicole: The vibe was different. And you had her laughing and smiling.
Patricia: Yeah.
Nicole: And she told you, you have good taste in books.
Patricia: Can’t tell me nothing.
Nicole: Yep.
Patricia: Nicole, what’s filling your cup.
Nicole: Kind of in line with the, just like doing things that aren’t screens with you. The other night we were working on our holiday cards, and we were like rubber stamping the envelopes. If you got one of our holiday cards, you know what I’m talking about. But it wasn’t something that like required a lot of in-depth thought process.
So it was really just us kind of hanging out at the table doing a thing with our hands and like, I don’t know, yapping, hanging out. It was just really nice.
Patricia: Yeah.
Nicole: I know it was kinda later in the evening, but it was really nice. I really enjoyed that. And that kind of, that kind of time with you was, uh, real nice.
It’s good. Fills me up.
Patricia: Good.
Well, that’s our show for today. We’d like to thank our awesome audio editor, Jen Zink. You can find her at loopdilou.com, and we’ll leave a link to that in our show notes.
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Nicole: I know I said I, I still love doing almost anything as long as I’m doing it with you. I’ve known that.
Patricia: You’ve known that.
Nicole: That’s nothing new this year, but it’s all like, I don’t know. It fit. It was good.
Patricia: The only two people I know who like to sit in traffic as long as we’re together.
Nicole: Yeah. By myself. It’s awful.
If I’m hanging out with you, it’s fine.
Patricia: Party.
Nicole: It’s fine. Yeah. Let’s go look at the cars and laugh at the people.
Patricia: Hey, yo.